Congress, including 81 Republicans and all Democrats, have voted to continue funding the National Endowment for Democracy, which Jimmy and guest Thomas Massie describe as a CIA-linked vehicle for foreign interference and regime change. They criticize Donald Trump and the White House for staying silent, saying even mild opposition from the president could have stopped the funding, arguing that this failure by the President represents a betrayal of the MAGA base.
Turning to discussion of voting, Massie says that real political power lies in low-turnout primaries, where small numbers of voters can determine who reaches the general election, often locking in “uniparty” outcomes. The conversation ends on a pessimistic note about oligarchic control, foreign policy influence, and whether voting alone can meaningfully challenge entrenched power.